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...But rather the Miami Dolphins.
After the 2005 season the Chargers then let go of QB Drew Brees for the younger and IMO better QB in Philip Rivers (knows he isn't alone with this one). After that, the first suitor that came calling were the Miami Dolphins. After a set of interviews and workouts and such it was determined that the Dolphins weren't going to sign Brees because they didn't know how his shoulder was going to hold up. That being said they passed on Brees and the Saints snagged him up.
Having only missed 6 games (one year being 5 of them) in the 4 playing years in SD, I've got no idea what the Dolphins didn't see to make them think he wouldn't. As for the injury, here it is straight from here.
"The surgery performed on Brees was to repair a torn labrum, called a Bankart lesion. A Bankart lesion occurs when the shoulder dislocated, pulling off an important ligament that helps to hold the shoulder in proper position. Unfortunately, this ligament tends to heal poorly is left alone, leaving the shoulder susceptible to repeat dislocations. Therefore, surgery is performed to hold the ligament in its proper position, and thus prevent repeat dislocation"
That being said, the Dolphins passed on him and hoped they could find their QB elsewhere. Taking a look at what Drew Brees has done over the past 4 years for the Saints, makes me honestly think that the Dolphins were actually the biggest losers on Sunday. Here are some numbers to back it up.
Drew Brees since 2005
Totals:
1572/2355 66.8% 18298 yds, 122 TD's, 5.2 TD%, 57 INT's, 2.4 INT%, 290.4 YpG, 97.3 QBRtg
Per Season:
393/588 66.8%, 4574 yds, 31 TD's, 5.2 TD%, 14 INT's, 2.4 INT%, 285.9 YpG, 97.8 QBRtg
All of these numbers, every last one of them is up from the 5 years (technically played 4) from the years with SD. I just sort of wanted to point that out, that's all.
Now, when you take a look at what the Dolphins QB's have done since they decided to pass on Brees, I would say they made a big mistake. Here's what the Dolphins QB's have done.
2006:
342/591 57.9% 3577 yds, 16 TD's, 2.7 TD%, 19 INT's, 3.2 INT%, 223.6 YpG, 71.2 QBRtg
--Harrington (11), Culpepper (4), Lemon (1) = 6 - 10
2007:
318/558 57.0% 3319 yds, 12 TD's, 2.2 TD%, 16 INT's, 2.9 INT%, 207.4 YpG, 69.6 QBRtg
--Lemon (6), Green (5), Beck (4) = 1 - 15
2008:
330/491 67.2% 3761 yds, 20 TD's, 4.1 TD%, 7 INT's, 1.4 INT%, 235.1 YpG, 97.6 QBRtg
--Pennington (16) = 11 - 5
2009:
331/545 60.7% 3396 yds, 15 TD's, 2.8 TD%, 19 INT's, 1.5 INT%, 212.3 YpG, 73.3 QBRtg
--Henne (13), Pennington (3) = 7 - 9 (Pennington 0-3; Henne 7 - 6)
Now its worth noting that 2008 was probably the best year ever by Chad Pennington and it shows that he really didn't produce again in the few games he had in 2009. That 2008 team was something completely special and its nice to recognize them.
When you add up all of the numbers for all 4 seasons, then divide it all by 4 to get the average season this is what you get:
2006 - 2009
Totals:
1331/2185 60.9% 14053 yds, 63 TD's, 2.9 TD%, 61 INT's, 2.8 INT%, 219.6 YpG, 77.6 QBRtg
Per Season:
332/546 60.9%, 3513 yds, 16 TD's, 2.9 TD%, 15 INT's, 2.8 INT%, 219.6 YpG, 77.8 QBRtg
If you just sit here and take a look at these numbers over and over you can see that the Dolphins made a HUGE mistake by not signing Drew Brees. Sure things could have been different with another team, but he proved he was a gun slinger when he was in SD and honestly, the risk probably would have been worth it. The numbers everywhere across the board point to Brees being the much better option than the QB's combined (with a RB/WR pass in there every now and then; not enough to effect the total outcome even with a TD pass to make my point) and that there isn't one number that comes even close to what Brees did per season than these QB's. The only thing that comes close is the total INT's and the fact that Brees threw 42 more passes per year and 1 less INT ...well that sort of throws out that stat.
Now with the Saints winning a SB in the home stadium of the team that passed him up 4 years ago, it hurts even more. Drew Brees could have been the QB that could have brought the Dolphins back to glory, but sadly, they passed him up for Joey Harrington.
Thoughts? Comments? Concerns? Questions?
After the 2005 season the Chargers then let go of QB Drew Brees for the younger and IMO better QB in Philip Rivers (knows he isn't alone with this one). After that, the first suitor that came calling were the Miami Dolphins. After a set of interviews and workouts and such it was determined that the Dolphins weren't going to sign Brees because they didn't know how his shoulder was going to hold up. That being said they passed on Brees and the Saints snagged him up.
Having only missed 6 games (one year being 5 of them) in the 4 playing years in SD, I've got no idea what the Dolphins didn't see to make them think he wouldn't. As for the injury, here it is straight from here.
"The surgery performed on Brees was to repair a torn labrum, called a Bankart lesion. A Bankart lesion occurs when the shoulder dislocated, pulling off an important ligament that helps to hold the shoulder in proper position. Unfortunately, this ligament tends to heal poorly is left alone, leaving the shoulder susceptible to repeat dislocations. Therefore, surgery is performed to hold the ligament in its proper position, and thus prevent repeat dislocation"
That being said, the Dolphins passed on him and hoped they could find their QB elsewhere. Taking a look at what Drew Brees has done over the past 4 years for the Saints, makes me honestly think that the Dolphins were actually the biggest losers on Sunday. Here are some numbers to back it up.
Drew Brees since 2005
Totals:
1572/2355 66.8% 18298 yds, 122 TD's, 5.2 TD%, 57 INT's, 2.4 INT%, 290.4 YpG, 97.3 QBRtg
Per Season:
393/588 66.8%, 4574 yds, 31 TD's, 5.2 TD%, 14 INT's, 2.4 INT%, 285.9 YpG, 97.8 QBRtg
All of these numbers, every last one of them is up from the 5 years (technically played 4) from the years with SD. I just sort of wanted to point that out, that's all.
Now, when you take a look at what the Dolphins QB's have done since they decided to pass on Brees, I would say they made a big mistake. Here's what the Dolphins QB's have done.
2006:
342/591 57.9% 3577 yds, 16 TD's, 2.7 TD%, 19 INT's, 3.2 INT%, 223.6 YpG, 71.2 QBRtg
--Harrington (11), Culpepper (4), Lemon (1) = 6 - 10
2007:
318/558 57.0% 3319 yds, 12 TD's, 2.2 TD%, 16 INT's, 2.9 INT%, 207.4 YpG, 69.6 QBRtg
--Lemon (6), Green (5), Beck (4) = 1 - 15
2008:
330/491 67.2% 3761 yds, 20 TD's, 4.1 TD%, 7 INT's, 1.4 INT%, 235.1 YpG, 97.6 QBRtg
--Pennington (16) = 11 - 5
2009:
331/545 60.7% 3396 yds, 15 TD's, 2.8 TD%, 19 INT's, 1.5 INT%, 212.3 YpG, 73.3 QBRtg
--Henne (13), Pennington (3) = 7 - 9 (Pennington 0-3; Henne 7 - 6)
Now its worth noting that 2008 was probably the best year ever by Chad Pennington and it shows that he really didn't produce again in the few games he had in 2009. That 2008 team was something completely special and its nice to recognize them.
When you add up all of the numbers for all 4 seasons, then divide it all by 4 to get the average season this is what you get:
2006 - 2009
Totals:
1331/2185 60.9% 14053 yds, 63 TD's, 2.9 TD%, 61 INT's, 2.8 INT%, 219.6 YpG, 77.6 QBRtg
Per Season:
332/546 60.9%, 3513 yds, 16 TD's, 2.9 TD%, 15 INT's, 2.8 INT%, 219.6 YpG, 77.8 QBRtg
If you just sit here and take a look at these numbers over and over you can see that the Dolphins made a HUGE mistake by not signing Drew Brees. Sure things could have been different with another team, but he proved he was a gun slinger when he was in SD and honestly, the risk probably would have been worth it. The numbers everywhere across the board point to Brees being the much better option than the QB's combined (with a RB/WR pass in there every now and then; not enough to effect the total outcome even with a TD pass to make my point) and that there isn't one number that comes even close to what Brees did per season than these QB's. The only thing that comes close is the total INT's and the fact that Brees threw 42 more passes per year and 1 less INT ...well that sort of throws out that stat.
Now with the Saints winning a SB in the home stadium of the team that passed him up 4 years ago, it hurts even more. Drew Brees could have been the QB that could have brought the Dolphins back to glory, but sadly, they passed him up for Joey Harrington.
Thoughts? Comments? Concerns? Questions?
, NY
Oh how I wish Sean Payton was our HC instead of Wade Phillips. One more year...just one he had to wait. :(
Well some how we might have gotten Brees. Though I love Romo, Brees is better. rumor around that time was Payton was going to trade for Romo to Nawlins, but decided to sign Brees.
For now? They won the SB. haha Unless Romo wins a few in the next 10 years. I doubt it. Nothing will ever come easy to me as a Cowboys fan.
For now, possibly.
Romo might have the chance to pass Brees, but he needs to get past Rodgers/Favre first.
Romo might have the chance to pass Brees, but he needs to get past Rodgers/Favre first.
If Romo has a good year next season we can put him ahead of both of them. Toughest schedule in the NFL IMO.
Chi-Town!, IL
Another excellent post. The fact that he won the Super Bowl on their home field has to just eat at them.
Thank you sir.
I know if I was a Miami fan it would be eating away at me.
The Saints got no idea how good they've got it.
I know if I was a Miami fan it would be eating away at me.
The Saints got no idea how good they've got it.
, SC
I heard about that last night but didn't think too much about it, but seeing this just makes a eyes pop wide open. Besides the INT thing the Dolphins look STUPID.
I'm glad you did...btw I already thanked YC for the points. You should've known he was gonna do it, he always does lol.
Torn labrum's are bad.
A kid on my HS team had one...oh man. Had to miss entire sophomore season and still had some effects junior year. He also went from a really hard 80mph+ thrower with distance to having trouble at SS making it to 1b on all his throws.
Sure, Brees would go at rehab a lot more and a lot harder, but still.
Plausible as to why MIA was shaky.
A kid on my HS team had one...oh man. Had to miss entire sophomore season and still had some effects junior year. He also went from a really hard 80mph+ thrower with distance to having trouble at SS making it to 1b on all his throws.
Sure, Brees would go at rehab a lot more and a lot harder, but still.
Plausible as to why MIA was shaky.
Its completely plausible, but that upside is what should have been looked at. The fact that they then went to Harrington, Culpepper, and co. really doesn't justify that. Sure, they might have lost some money, but if he had come back healthy to play for the Dolphins, they would have been set at QB for years to come and possibly could have been playing in the SB instead of the Saints.
That was the same time when people thought Culpepper still had great upside after one down year, so they took their chances with him.
With a shoulder injury it is iffy on total recovery. I really think it depends on the person and how hard they want to work on bringing it back to where they can function fully with one.
I know when I tore off my rotor cuff they told me I would never have full range of motion...proved them wrong and did go back to bowling...average went down but only by about ten pins.
If I were the decision maker for the Dolphins I would have been hesitant to sign and payout money on an iffy investment. Good post dear heart.
I know when I tore off my rotor cuff they told me I would never have full range of motion...proved them wrong and did go back to bowling...average went down but only by about ten pins.
If I were the decision maker for the Dolphins I would have been hesitant to sign and payout money on an iffy investment. Good post dear heart.
Thank you.
I would have been iffy too but the seasons that Brees was just coming off of were good enough to at least give him a couple years to see if his shoulder would have healed again. Even though they were concerned about the shoulder, a 25 yr old up and coming QB who got replaced for a younger QB had something to prove.
It would have been a smart move to sign him and if he didn't work out, its not that big of a deal.
I would have been iffy too but the seasons that Brees was just coming off of were good enough to at least give him a couple years to see if his shoulder would have healed again. Even though they were concerned about the shoulder, a 25 yr old up and coming QB who got replaced for a younger QB had something to prove.
It would have been a smart move to sign him and if he didn't work out, its not that big of a deal.
N'awlins Yall, LA
Minneapolis, MN
Root/Nom
Good idea. Too bad for the Dolphins. Things could have gone the other way too. It just happened to work out great for the Saints. If Drew Brees didn't do what he did who knows what would have happened to New Orleans... probably would have disintegrated or something.
Good idea. Too bad for the Dolphins. Things could have gone the other way too. It just happened to work out great for the Saints. If Drew Brees didn't do what he did who knows what would have happened to New Orleans... probably would have disintegrated or something.
That's true. If the Saints had taken the chance and it turns out that Brees arm busted, then they would have been in the same spot. However, they actually took the chance to sign the man and realized the upside.
There were really no other teams looking to sign Brees until the Dolphins passed on him.
This better?
There were really no other teams looking to sign Brees until the Dolphins passed on him.
This better?
Im a firm believer that if Brees didnt get hurt he would still be a Charger. It was a hard decision, but at the time the right one. Cant really go wrong with either. Dont forget the Dolphins also traded Welker
Well Brees got hurt at the end of the 2005 season and they had drafted Rivers in the 2004 season.
Brees would have been gone soon enough.
In this case its harder to replace a QB than it is a WR.
Brees would have been gone soon enough.
In this case its harder to replace a QB than it is a WR.
There was an internal struggle at that time. His shoulder injury made the choice easy.
Ur right about the QB WR but if Miami knew what they were doing they could have both with their sick RB core
Ur right about the QB WR but if Miami knew what they were doing they could have both with their sick RB core
Im not so convinced that it was so easy before Brees got hurt on his last play. Obviously the front office was pretty divided on the issue and the new GM had his preference but up to that point Rivers was unproven and Brees' play was making the choice hard. If he didnt get hurt I could have very easily seen them resigning him and just trading who ever they got the best offer for
Well they had drafted him Rivers for a reason. If you look at Brees numbers before Rivers got drafted they weren't exactly mind blowing in any sense of the word.
If you draft a QB that high, you've got to expect him to take over sooner or later. Its just common football knowledge.
If you draft a QB that high, you've got to expect him to take over sooner or later. Its just common football knowledge.
Obviously it had to be one or the other, and I do agree theres a good chance they could have picked Rivers anyway and Brees wasnt always awesome for them, but his last 2 years in SD especially his second to last year were impressive years that at least to me doesnt make the decision a no brainer
Then they wouldn't have drafted Rivers and addressed another need that they could have had.
However, I think they should have traded Brees before the TD in 2005 to get some value out of it.
However, I think they should have traded Brees before the TD in 2005 to get some value out of it.
They did get value out of hm though with the other picks as much as I hate Kaeding now. But the thing is its not like Brees was old by any means. Before he got hurt there was no wrong decision
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